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hey, frank. bill coleman, my right here right there, he was i know i m going to tell [inaudible] i know, sir. i was about to say, i don t have nothing to do with affirmative action. [laughter] i got there on merit unlike you young negroes. i know that, mr. secretary. that s why he s a republican. [laughter] and one of my heroes. [laughter] you say you have this trouble with the segregated poor it s because franklin roosevelt. that he was the one that when he created public housing, it was all black. and those democrats did more to hurt you than us republicans. [laughter] well, there s a theory. now, let me go back to jack s question. jack, i don t know. there s different surveys. scholars write have drawn different conclusions from the surveys of inner city black kids. i can only say that i can only look at the results. and i don t think in my opinion, and it s not my area of expertise, but in my experience, and perhaps i m just being romanti ....