And just have a no will be had to bring you the latest news but right now across the u. K. Island. Hello and welcome across not where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle 80 years ago this month the 2nd world war in europe began 6 years later the scourge of german fascism was defeated however the meaning of the start of the war remains hotly contested this history is intensely political. Crosslinking revisionism im joined by my guest show for you. Roberts he is americas professor of history at University College cork as well as member of the Royal Irish Academy and his latest book is churchill and stalin we also have dmitri bobbitt shes a political analyst and editor interest me internet media project and in london we cross our going to be curious he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate jeffrey let me go to you 1st your center o
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History and you decide what you you have im not saying polls are not entitled to their own interpretation of the modern talk ribbentrop that my own personal view is that given the situation which existed in august 19th 39 a pact between so and germany was probably something that many people in moscow would have decided maint sense to them yeah they failed to forge an alliance with the west they tried they failed to fortunately once with poland they tried a pact which limited as they would see it german expansion east would have made sense to there the problem is not that there are these divergent opinions about this event it is that in the west increasingly not talking about the historic story and talking about medium and talking. Politics we are not only hearing only one view of the maldives of ribbentrop pact each is becoming increasingly the all to dos view which everybody who wishes to be considered respectable and accepted is required increasingly to accept and that i think is dan
A matter of just historical contestation about watch you happened who was responsible political blind been light now is particularly controversial at the present moment the actually front of us of course because whats going on in in relations between the Russian Federation and the west because of the unique ukrainian crisis because the propaganda war thats going on between the Russian Federation west and the anniversary of the war particular events associate to it has become part of that political struggle ok alex let me go to you in london and say you know we have as i pointed out a few seconds ago russia wasnt invited to these the festivities in poland certainly a snub to the russians but the germans were invited it reminds me of the you know the abyss so be it not see nonaggression pact ok i mean if one can draw conclusions about the morality of that but the cold political kalki. And you cant deny but the poles want to seem to have it just one way go ahead alex well the poles have t
Poles want to seem to have it just one way go ahead alex well the poles have their own interpretation of the of the model of soft ribbentrop the russians there is theres also what people like Jeffrey Roberts do which is that you go through history and you decide what you you have im not saying holds a nazi titles to their own interpretation of the modern talk ribbentrop that my own personal view is that given the situation which existed in all his 939 a pact between so and germany was probably something that many people in moscow would have decided maint sense to them yeah they failed to forge an alliance with the west right they failed to fortunately once with poland they tried a pact which limited as they were. Seen it german expansion eastward would have made sense to there the problem is not that there are these divergent opinions about this event it is that in the west increasingly not talking about the historic story and talking about medium and talking about politics. We are not