The United States hopes to resume the P5 dialogue when Russia acts in good faith, Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Bonnie
deterrent for putin and do you think they should be welcome if, in fact, they do want to join? well, if finland and sweden want to join nato, there is little doubt that nato the instrument he s chosen to try to get what he wants, a threat of a military invasion in europe is likely to strengthen nato, to make it more likely that nato is gets closer to the borders, has more military equipment there and bring in more members, finland and sweden, and perhaps break the debt log even on the question of whether ukraine at some point should be a member of nato, which at the moment nato is divided on, but if russia acts in the way that it is threatening to act, even that question comes on the table. so the very thing he s trying to avoid may come about by the action he s taking and i hope he thinks about those consequences before deciding to take military
i think i can speakfor. who is we, then? the europeans? we europeans. because you need russian gas, don t you? that s why you don t want the sanctions. well, we might need russian gas. we want to have trade, a friendly relationship with russia. russia is a european nation. we want to live in peace and harmony. that sounds rather idealistic at this particular time. we spent a lot of time building cooperation with civil society, economic links, we don t want to have a conflict with russia. period. but when russia acts in a way that is at the detriment or against the basic securities of european order or denying european nations, democratic nations, their right to choose their own destiny, we have to react with sanctions. we don t want it. but we need to do it. but do you think europe will really accept the sanctions when europe depends on about 30% of its gas needs on russia? some countries in europe, 100%. yeah, true. there s a price to be paid.
but when russia acts in a way that is at the detriment or against the basic securities of european order or denying european nations, democratic nations, their right to choose their own destiny, we have to react with sanctions. we don t want it. but we need to do it. but do you think europe will really accept the sanctions when europe depends on about 30% of its gas needs on russia? some countries in europe, 100%. yeah, true. there s a price to be paid. but we are even more dependent. hang on, hang on, you arejust saying that is a price that has to be paid. do you think democratically elected governments are going to see the lights and the heating go down in their countries? i think so, because we are even more dependent upon peace in europe. and peace in europe is dependent upon respecting the right of each individual nation.
russian gas, don t you? that s the reason why you don t want the sanctions. well, we might need russian gas. we want to have trade, a friendly relationship with russia. russia is a european nation. we want to live in peace and harmony. that sounds rather idealistic at this particular time. we spent a lot of time building cooperation with civil society, economic links, we don t want to have a conflict with russia. period. but when russia acts in a way that is at the detriment or against the basic securities of european order or denying european nations, democratic nations, their right to choose their own destiny, we have to react with sanctions. we don t want it. but we need to do it. but do you think europe will really accept the sanctions when europe depends on about 30% of its gas needs on russia ? some countries in europe, 100%. yeah, true. there s a price to be paid. but we are even more dependent. hang on, hang on, you arejust saying that is a price that has to be paid. do you thi