International Business News: The draft UN resolution for establishing a legally binding UN tax convention has been published. The resolution, which follows a high-level debate in
that is where the final negotiations are taking place. justin rowlatt, bbc news, sharm el sheik. joining us now is peter kalmus, climate scientist and author. he is in north carolina. thank you very much for your time on bbc news. talks have stretched on as expected. still optimistic?- on as expected. still otimistic? ., , , optimistic? am i optimistic? i would say optimistic? am i optimistic? i would say i optimistic? am i optimistic? i would say i feel optimistic? am i optimistic? i would say i feel desperate, i optimistic? am i optimistic? i| would say i feel desperate, an extreme emergency, i have tried twice to protest the action we have had through this process for 27 years so i think we should expect a lot more out of this un process. and i hope, i really hope, that they get some significant and automatic and agreeing a phase out of all fossil fuels, notjust coal. peter, the biggest sticking point has been who will pay for loss and damage caused by climate change. do you
think it s nearly enough attention but 80% of these catastrophes, these floods and heatwaves and, you know, massive hurricanes like hurricane ian, 80% caused by burning fossil fuels, about 50% from animal agriculture, so we have no choice. it s inconvenient to a lot of people, especially to the rich people, especially to the rich people who control these industries, but we will eventually all realise we have no choice but to phase them out. ., ,., no choice but to phase them out. . , ., , , , no choice but to phase them out. ., , ,, . out. he also expressed concern in the past out. he also expressed concern in the past there out. he also expressed concern in the past there is out. he also expressed concern in the past there is a out. he also expressed concern in the past there is a growing . in the past there is a growing disconnect between climate activists and the decision makers at these summits. a little more on that? it is hard for me to see how this process can really sta
moral obligation of what lies ahead in this negotiation and setting out that the eyes of the world is on these negotiators for the two weeks ahead. there is frustration at the same time. we ahead. there is frustration at the same time- ahead. there is frustration at the same time. ~ . , . ., same time. we are expecting more seeches same time. we are expecting more speeches today same time. we are expecting more speeches today from same time. we are expecting more speeches today from other - same time. we are expecting more speeches today from other world i speeches today from other world leaders. 0nce speeches today from other world leaders. once they get past that stage, what happens next? what happens in the rooms when so many different people from different nations, with their own interest, are trying to make their voice the one that is hurt? one that is hurt? what a difficult negotiation- one that is hurt? what a difficult negotiation. there one that is hurt? what a diffi