and including the fact that mike pence refused to go ahead and say i declare these people like ruey freeman and her in particular, she comes out of of that meeting, i think her phrase was the devil s a liar and she knew she was being lied to. she holds firm under this tremendous pressure. and she is she exhibits exemplary citizenship. and we all owe her a debt of gratitude. a random person put in extraordinary circumstances who stood up for american democracy. and that spirit i think should animate all of us going forward. maya wiley and brandy zadrozny, thank you both. next the supreme court s ruling on the texas abortion bill, which my next guest says could go down as one of the most disgraceful decisions in supreme court history. what to make of it. and chief justice roberts warning for his conservative colleagues. after this. tive colleagues after this