good to be with you, i m katy tur in for the second hour of chris jansing reports. the jury has the e. jean carroll defamation case. how much will they find donald trump owes carroll for continuing to attack her, and continue to go deny what a court of law has already established that he sexually assaulted her. msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin just stepped out of the courtroom for the first time today to let us know what it was like inside. so, lisa, tell us. reporter: i listened to both sides closing arguments and then the rebuttal of e. jean carroll s lawyers this morning, and then i listened to judge lou kaplan instruct the jury on the law as well as the legal process and the rules that they are required to follow as they deliberate. i think one of the things that was most interesting this morning is the emergence of big themes that are much bigger than e. jean carroll and donald trump alone. what you heard from e. jean carol s lawyers is this isn t a case just about d
i m in for nicolle wallace. the final day of e. jean carroll versus donald trump with closing arguments focused on a high-stakes question. what is the price to pay for using one of the world s most powerful megaphones to defame someone. first up her attorney addressed the factor looming over the trial, that is, trump s continued attacks on e. jean carroll. she pointed out trump spent the entire trial continuing to engage in defamation, trump dramatically stormed out of the courtroom. the judge noted the incident and kaplan continued. cnn repts that she said, quote, the case is also about punishing donald trump for what he has done and what he continues to do. shd trump tries to, quote, normalize conduct that could hardly be more abnormal. she went on to say, quote, typically when someone is found liable for defamaon, they stop making those statemeven if they don t like t jury s verdict, even if you d t like the jury s decision you follow it. those are the this trial is also
the federal judge donald trump s interference case is pressing pause as a federal appeals case is pressing pause. he said he would and now he is not, and now when he said he would testify now says he will not. today, that defamation trial continues. and just where iat impeachment trial is going next against president biden and how the white house is going to respond. i m john berman with sara sidner and kate bolduan, and this is cnn news central. a federal judge has hit the brakes on the donald trump 2020 interference case, because she is not sure if the president has immuni immunity, and this could push back the march 2024 trial further, and further into the 2024 campaign territory. zachary cohen is joining us, and the trump team called it a huge win, but this is a judge looking at the realities here, and saying the appeals court needs to speak, and we know that jack smith has gone to the supreme court to get a decision as well. what more are you learning? yes, tha
border security which republicans have insisted be added to the package, zelensky met with top lawmakers including the brand-new house speaker, mike johnson, many republican holdout to meet with zelensky say a deal remains unlikely, let s go straight to mj lee who was at the white house, what are we expecting here on the two leaders beyond just a pitch to get this money from congress to ukraine? jake, this press conference obviously has been quite delayed but we did just see the ukrainian delegation in the u.s. delegation take their seats in the front row, secretary blinken, secretary austin, other officials are in the room so we should see president biden and president zelenskyy enter the room any moment, i think white house officials and u.s. officials had made the point this visit is about so much more than the issue of u.s. funding for ukraine which clearly on capitol hill right now, fans at an impasse. they re saying the world is watching right now including russian pr