case to the president or is he simply tone deaf on thissish yoo u? first, let me say there is no greater patriot and no one who has done more for this country in tough fights than bill mcraven. as for the president, look, there are lots of smart people in the state department, in the department of defense. you have an entire foreign service that knows how the world works. the president doesn t care. he has his own little universe inside his head, and he will simply say and do whatever he wants without regard to consequences. look, ayman, this is very serious stuff. i know we re in a great froth on the whole impeachment thing. look, if a president could be impeached for dereliction of duty and indifference to america s national security, he d be a prime candidate. let me get your final thoughts on one tling as someone who served in previous
paper it was printed on. with respect to lindsey graham, it s interesting to see republicans, grand in particular, will stand up to the president when there s something they care about. in lindsey graham s case, the thing he s always cared about is u.s. involvement in the middle east. he s willing to calling him on it and criticizing calling him on it is one tling. getting something done is another thing. where does this go, matt? i think that s my point. i don t know that it will go anywhere. you might see the congress pass sanctions. but the point i was going to make is, it would be nice to see lindsey graham to show the same courage when the president tramables on the rights of americans, refuses to comply with congressional subpoenas, something lindsey graham las said in the past is impeachable. the question with republicans on the hill is whether their sometimes brief words of criticism against the president will translate into actual action. congresswoman edwards, like a
i think one tling that s going to be true for both candidates, joe biden and for donald trump is that they re really sort of running based on an image that was created many, many years ago. we think of donald trump as a builder. well, it s been a long, long time since that was his principle activity. he had his hollywood phase. now he has a political phase. joe biden most of what he did is behind him. i think people are going to look at his overall record or at least he s got to hope that we look at his overall record and not so much how he s performing in this moment. and he s trying. he put out an op-ed today calling for an assault weapon ban and making the case, hey, i did this. i m actually the one guy up here who has passed an assault weapon ban. it was an interesting op-ed because he s trying to reclaim his record. we ve seen in the debates his opponents trying to cast him as a negative thing in the times. he tries to reclaim his record saying there s a lot of good
truth. the rules look at foreign payments that come from or with foreign governments. the bank he is talking about is owned 81% by the government. we are going to move on. first of all, let me be clear. i said to mr. cohen that if he came in here and lied i would nail him to the cross. didn t i? yes. you did more than once. so if there s any ambiguity i want that to be cleared up. i have no problem working with you to make sure that s straightened out. i don t want him to think one tling and we think one thing. we can clear that up. we have other members that are waiting. i don t think we should limb it to the bta bank which has the
relationship between the government and individuals, and the judicial or legal context, would be catastrophic for the president. shepard: wait. if you go speak with them but not under oath, if you get something wrong or you say something that is inaccurate or false, it s one kind of tling. but if you are one kind of thing. if you re une oath it s perjury and it s impeachable. except the penalty or lying and the penalty for perjuries the same. general flynn, two fbi agents, general flynn s version, showed up and said can we talk to you for a few minutes. during the course that he lied. he lied because he admitted he lied. in that admission he pleaded guilty to lietion. so walking in to this lying. walking into this environment, particularly a person who likes to talk, believes he s smarter than the other side but doesn t know the facts in the case or the evidence that the government has is walking into a very,