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I m not necessarily unhappy that some of these universities like wesleyan are going to let that go by the wayside. what are your thoughts especially as it relates to the latest affirmative action ruling by the supreme court? well, first of all, thanks for having me, rachel, glad to be here. look, i m no fan of these legacy admissions as well, but i want to make sure people understand this. to conflate these preferential treatment for previous family members at these schools and the supreme court decision is absolutely wrong. they re trying to conflate, rerelate the two. they have nothing to do with them. and the affirmative action violated the constitution. it was illegal. there is no constitutional violation for legacy admission. i am in your camp. i disagree with legacy admissions. if a college wants to get rid of em, so be it. but don t play the race card with them because it has nothing to do with affirmative action. rachel: yeah. i think s a fair point. and, but again, i m not