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ukraine have followed it. it is starting to be of healthier democracy and demonstrate that it can stand for people. and all those people fighting right now for their freedoms, they aren t going to give that freedom up lightly after this war by just turning it into a former russia sort of russian state with lot of corruption. they re determined to look to europe and behave like europeans. i think that should be recognized. we should be prepared to bring ukraine into nato as quickly as possible. you clearly agree with the u.s. in terms of waiting until after the war is over but the u.s. also said that ukraine needs to take more reform steps. can you not hear me? can you hear me? are we having some audio issues. no sign. that s too bad. nothing. we have more important questions to ask including about cluster munitions. hopefully we can get the defense minister of the uk ben wallace back with us on the show. not sure what happened there. but those technical issues happen especial

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