15 years. but, again, they seem to be okay at least for the moment. in terms of being they re being held, anderson, the justice minister tells me they re probably being held outside quadibuket. that s the gangs area of control. they don t usually keep kidnapping victims inside there, so it s a location outside of there. the conversations that law enforcement through the ministry has had with these gang members, and we know there are fbi agents here assisting, the minister tells us it has been clearly communicated to this group that they will face severe consequences, the gang will, if any harm comes to any of those kidnapping victims, but at least so far that has not swayed these kidnappers. they remain committed to that ransom you talked about just off the top there. although our source in the security forces say these conversations for now are calm.