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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Context 20240604 20:31:00

but who would lead it? there could be lots of infighting in the weeks ahead for control of the group. live now to lou osborn, co author of the book wagner, at the heart of the prigozhin system, and investigator for all eyes on wagner, a non for profit research group tracking their activities. welcome to the programme. it s like an ecosystem, there is lots of businesses, lots of mercenaries, mercenary groups floating in and out of it. lucrative and of course. does that mean that we are in for a period of blood letting in the next few weeks? i’m period of blood-letting in the next few weeks? period of blood-letting in the next fewweeks? ., , ., , few weeks? i m not too sure actually that it s time few weeks? i m not too sure actually that it s time for few weeks? i m not too sure actually that it s time for a few weeks? i m not too sure actually that it s time for a blood few weeks? i m not too sure actually that it s time for a blood battle, - few weeks? i m not too sure ac

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Context 20240604 20:37:00

look at what people would expect, so if you look at their operation in the central look at their operation in the central african public, its rebellions, it s not the same type of welfare rebellions, it s not the same type of welfare. so if tomorrow they leave, of welfare. so if tomorrow they leave, yes of welfare. so if tomorrow they leave, yes they would be a little bit of leave, yes they would be a little bit of vacuum in 10 three, niger is also connected to that region, for instance also connected to that region, for instance burkina faso that does not receive instance burkina faso that does not receive any instance burkina faso that does not receive any assistance from the wagner receive any assistance from the wagner group is facing a dire security wagner group is facing a dire security situation and russia is not involved~ security situation and russia is not involved~ it security situation and russia is not involved. it is a bit congealed. i agreed invol

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Context 20240604 20:36:00

it s not our problem really to worry about the degree or the fashion in which russian influence is exerted, we have to make our own minds up, do what s right, decide how committed we are to the potential consequences of what is happening in niger. just on this of what is happening in niger. just on this issue of africa because before i put this to 10 one. how involved are they in fighting the likes of alum estate, if prigozhin is not there and this group just sort of implodes or dissipates and disappears, does that leave a power vacuum in africa? iretell disappears, does that leave a power vacuum in africa? vacuum in africa? well i think we need to have vacuum in africa? well i think we need to have a vacuum in africa? well i think we need to have a quite balanced . vacuum in africa? well i think we i need to have a quite balanced view on what need to have a quite balanced view on what is need to have a quite balanced view on what is going on in africa because on what is goi

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Context 20240604 20:30:00

hello, i m christian fraser. you re watching the context on bbc news. coming up. with the leader of the wagner group presumed dead at what it all means for their operations across the world. russian investigators say they have now recovered the flight recorders and all ten bodies from the scene of a plane crash in which yevgeny prigozhin is presumed to have died on tuesday. meanwhile, the kremlin says any suggestions that it gave the order to kill the wagner boss are a complete lie . president putin s spokesman dmitry peskov said today there was lots of speculation amid the tragic death . he seemed to stop short of actually confirming prigozhin was on board but again he appeared to be talking about him in the past tense. the more intense scrutiny, outside russia, is fixed on what happens to wagners operations if he is dead. some speculate the group will morph and evolve into something else.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Context 20240604 20:32:00

started to lose the trust of the kremlin and that means the lay lost access to statistics, to support, they lost access to financing. so that already kind of took place basically and the crash did not only kill prigozhin but also a number of additional high ranking people within the wagner group. and today the question of who could take over. clearly putin is trying to bring it under the fold of them a russian military, he said everyone. take an oath in front of the russian state flag. does he want to take their allegiance from a different flag a different group? i their allegiance from a different flag a different group?- their allegiance from a different flag a different group? i think the rise of prigozhin flag a different group? i think the rise of prigozhin as flag a different group? i think the rise of prigozhin as a unique - flag a different group? i think the | rise of prigozhin as a unique figure really challenged putin s power and he wants to break away from that

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