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A more aggressive strategy. to take on robert muellerto say that there s nothing there. they re fighting perhaps an appearance to speak to him , to have the presidency down with him. what do you make of this tougher line? i think it s the right way to go because what you do need with a special counsel as we mentioned in the last segment, they have a tendency to go off reservation. if the target or the people there interacting with don t push back some, there really is no restraint anywhere. at least from a tactical standpoint, that is the right way to go. i m not quite sure about this decision to sit down with mueller, i believe the legal team is of the thought that until that happens, this probe doesn t endand they feel it sho and in order to hasten its end. but i think there s great legal peril for the president and sitting down and potentially let off and trapped into perjuring himself. paul: rudy giuliani says he has heard from the mueller camp ....

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