that you want to preserve your regime, fire on your citizens, kill them, clear the streets is a way to pro se serve regime. that came out of tienamen square. jamie: i have to ask what you are saying. it sounds like the message that is sent is nato is i hate to say it but weak. essentially we re a big part of nato is that what you are saying? listen, make no mistake about it. nato right here in the face of the mission is ineffectual and weak. and nato in afghanistan was ineffective and weak for years with taliban gaining dominance over them, until we americanize the war. that took place when the president committed the surge forces to afghanistan. now that war has begun to turn to our favor. jamie: so perhaps, time is what is needed.