i m gonna be honest. i did work on john kerry s campaign in 2004, and i tried very hard to defeat george bush and her father. four years later, i was a part of the transition when president bush and vice president cheney handed over to barack obama and joe biden, peacefully, by the way. of course liz cheney had a political career of her own. when that would come to be defined by her work on the january 6th committee and her willingness to speak out against donald trump when it wasn t always easy. look, i know that when i sound the alarm about the former president, which i do frequently, there are a lot of people who tune me at. who am not getting through to. but when liz cheney sends that alarm, as loudly as she s doing right now, that s another thing entirely. it s a perfect time to be talking with her, because donald trump is talking a lot about his desire to be a dictator. and that s because he wants to be a dictator. that part is pretty clear. the harder question to answe