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A key important one, captured according to the wagner chief without firing a shot. and some of the video shows a very relaxed situation, him talking to military commanders there, based there, and one in fact seen on the internet, on television, the day before, urging people not to go along with this insurrection, and he was later pictured with prigozhin, the wagner chief, and another commander, talking, prigozhin at one point admonishing one of the commanders for using the informal you singular, lack of respect there. and extraordinary scenes in rostov that continues on the highway up to moscow. the town of voronezh, the governor of that region has said there has been combat measures by the russian military, there has been a report in state media of mi-8 attack helicopter taken down in that particular area. further up the road towards moscow, indeed, the government has told people to stay at home ....
Touch you with as well. joining us, national security analyst david sanger, david, thanks for joining us. putin s future is on the line presumably right now, prigozhin is seeing what happens to people who cross putin in the past and he wouldn t do this, presumably, if he didn t think he has enough support to win. either in the fsb, or in the defense ministry, the fsb, the russian intelligence agency. do we think we know the cards that prigozhin is actually holding? he has to be very careful right now, given the fact that he has directly challenged putin. he does, and i think what s really truly remarkable about this moment, wolf, probably three remarkable things. first, until now, we have suspected that there would be cracks at some point, because of the war in putin s regime, we haven t really seen any, other than this troubled war that had gone on between prigozhin and ....
Ukrainians are very optimistic that this will probably make their job during this current counteroffensive much easier, given the fact that the russian military seems to be turning upon itself. in particular, the fact that prep prigozhin seem to be in charge of the headquarters in rostov-on-don, which is the command center for all russian forces in southern ukraine. it s hard to imagine that they will be able to function in this atmosphere of utter chaos on the russian side. now, the counteroffensive began about two weeks ago, and what we ve seen is, so far, the ukrainians have only made modest gains, but they have yet to commit the bulk of their forces to the fight and, therefore, and for instance, wolf, we were very near the front lines yesterday. what we saw is there are a lot ....
Putin had done anything wrong. but now, he and putin are in a death struggle and that was clear from putin s speech, and it was also clear in the fact that the government, that the russian government referred to this as a coup attempt. prigozhin did not say it was a coup attempt. and so it is a little bit unclear what prigozhin s ultimate objectives are here, and it is several unclear how he would get from where he is now into moscow, even with a depleted russian force around the capital. looks like they re in control of rostov, not too far away but a key military location fort russian military. what does this all mean for putin standing on the global stage, david, right mow now? putin conducted this entire operation in part to go and restore what he viewed as rightful russian lands that ....
Military? because putin has called around all his loyalists, looking for support, and his core, the chechen leader, one of the most important allies outside of his military chiefs, is called his, he has called his appointees, those appointed in ukraine and called neighboring countries and called president erdogan in turkey, so the core question hasn t been answered, but putin is circling his wagons, making sure his security approach is going to work, and the question is now, can prigozhin break out of rostov or will this become his alamo? natasha, as nic just reported, the kremlin says erdogan of turkey expressed full support in that phone conversation with putin. how do you expect ukraine s western allies to approach all of this, the nato allies specifically? well, wolf, the nato allies ....