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Heard from mulvaney. he did that presser where he told us that there was a quid pro quo. it happens all the time in the trump administration. so mulvaney s testimony really isn t the one we want. we want to hear from john bolton. it s really the people we haven t heard from that are the ones telling us and send iing t message to the american people that they have things they want to say but they re not being able to get it out there. all right. thank you. this inquiry may be causing even more rifts between the administration. the attorney general william barr has been con speckously silent recently. most notably, he has not come por ward to defend the president s actions. katy brener covers the justice department for the new york times and joins me now. you wrote about barr s role in this. is there growing fiction you re getting a sense of between trump and the attorney general? there is, but keep in mind that every administration official, their best day with ....

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