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With president putin. remember that part of the complaint is alleging that the president was trying to, you know, pursue threads that would ultimately place the blame of 2016 election interference on uvain, to dis ukraine, to displace it on ukraine rather than russia which, of course, helps russia. so you know, we can t we can t forget that this complaint alleges something that would ultimately be beneficial to president putin. right. and the other thing that s important to putin is not supplying military aid to ukraine in their fight against russia. asha and gloria, stay right there. we re going to take a break. we ll expand the conversation when we come back and get unique insights from carl bernstein, of course made his bones covering another white house in crisis. later tonight, more on kurt volker s roam in this affair role in this affair and rudy giuliani s outburst. it s the sleep number 360 smart bed. ....
It is one remarkable night at the end of a historic week. and two more breaking stories tonight. the resignation of a top diplomat in the whistleblower complaint and last word that the white house late word that the white house restricted access to other calls in addition to the one with ukraine s president. that includes conversations with russian president vladimir putin and crown prince mohammed bin salman from saudi arabia. back with asha, gloria, and joining us, political legend carl bernstein. first of all, your reaction to this u.s. special envoy to ukraine resigning, does it surprise you? i mean, the fact is he was named in the whistleblower complaint, and he was the one who was in contact apparently with rudy giuliani and put giuliani in touch with zelensky adviser. we need to know more about the circumstances and doubtless ....
The united states is a danger to the national security of our country. and what this is about including whatever it is that mr. volker did as described by the whistleblower is part of that dangerous process that the president has launched by involving in this instance this foreign power in our elections. carl, part of the a lot of them haven t said he is a danger, they have certainly they have left and distanced themselves from him which one can interpret that. but isn t that part of the problem, that not enough people have spoken up who have personal experiences with this? i mean, if it wasn t for this one whistleblower, i mean, none of this would have come to light. you re absolutely right in terms of the reluctance of mcmaster, mattis, tillerson to be forthright and out loud about what they have whispered to others about the president being ....
Investigation. you know, so i think that the state department here volker has an interest in clearing up exactly what the role was of the official channels that rudy giuliani may have been working through. and that won t necessarily be good for the white house yeah. i haven t seen too many international men of mystery appearing on television every night, giving details and showing text messages from people he s interviewed. asha, gloria, carl, thank you. strange days. just ahead, a lot more, more on how the white house and specifically the president s attorney are responding to what is now been days of crisis. we ll discuss it with a reporter who just spoke again with rudy giuliani and be joined, as well, by the man who once spoke for the state department. we ll be right back. my grandfather had an amazing life, but ancestry showed me ....