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Former president is going to be ultimately successful in using executive privilege to shield conversations or other materials. he s already tried to do that with the trump v. thompson case, was rejected by the courting including the supreme court in the congressional investigation. and, you know, pam, the rules are that executive privilege must yield ever since the supreme court decided this in u.s. v. nixon. executive privilege must yield to other exigencies, and nothing is more urgent than a criminal investigation. there s a bunch of other flaws in the argument as well, so i think large amounts of this information are going to get to the grand jury, and that may not be very good news for the former president. let s talk about the grand jury a little bit more because i have reporting through sources with my colleague caitlyn poe lance that not only pat ....

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