groups who have specific interests work the congress very well. it s perfectly legal under the system, it increases the debt, the deficit, and all the they shall things that are happening right now that we re trying to get out of. ultimately, the american people have to rise up and be outraged from this. but i think that most people in the middle sector, from the 20% to the 20%. from the democrat to the republican side, that the vast majority of people in both political parties agree with me. and that s why it s too bad that we have to pass something like simpson/bowles or something that deals with a comprehensive debt problem, but it s difficult to do that with almost every interest group wanting to preserve their little thing. karen? congressman slash secretary, it s nice to see you. so we were talking earlier about, how do you hold members accountable? we all know there s a certain system that everybody s playing by. you had to play by it as well. and you talk about voters risin