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Train one of the housewives dogs. that actually happened. kerik patched things up with his old pal giuliani and became another shadowy figure in the trump world. that was on 2020 bernie kerik from self on the receiving end of a pardon from then president donald trump and now we may have learned just how bernie kerik intended to turn that favor with what one might call the opportunity of a lifetime. new emails released in an ongoing defamation case against rudy giuliani reveal that in december of 2020, bernie kerik approached trump s chief of staff, mark meadows, with an offer. bernie kerik told mark meadows that he had a plan for how to help trump overturn the election results by pressuring state legislators in by sending figure lectures who would then backed trump. there is just one thing bernie ....
Or joyce vance former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and john fishhook, former u.s. attorney for virginia. thank you both for being here tonight, it s great to see you. john, can i just ask you whether this little, what i call spicy nugget in the latest filings stuck out to you as it did to me? this notion of ongoing investigations and what exactly the special counsel s office might be referring to. that interesting alex and thanks for having me back on the show. i think that is very interesting and obviously that can be focused on the january 6th, they can be other folks related to the classified documents. i think it would be the classified documents, it would mean that there are separate indictments. i think they want to keep the trump indictment separate if they ve got that on the fastest trying to bacon get on. jack smith is laser focused on moving the classified documents case forward. that motion today shows he s following by the book, he s not deferring to ....
Speculating? intercourse when you consider the source that this is coming from folks in the trump camp perhaps they want to protect this image that there won t be indictments. but that said, a special counsel the mueller report the special counsel did write a voluminous report, of course in that case trump was then the president and doj policy constrain them. based on the evidence that we have seen today and the witnesses that special counsel appears to be. it would be surprising if no one was charged in connection with january 6th. prosecutors often pursue a strategy where they indict some folks they have a solid case against and then they flipped them and move up the chain. it s tough to believe that smith would back off of a target like trump, the one who of course you have to believe that you have to be looking for evidence of his involvement in ....
It looks like the lawyers may perhaps have prevailed upon the former president to let this one go. they may have said this is going to be entered in any event because of the nature of so much of this information and maybe it is just that because the special counsel says this is sensitive information even though it s not classified it may reveal for instance sources and methods of collection which the government protected vigorously but there is always this leaning implication with trump and particularly when we see the allegations and the indictment about how he tried to persuade his lawyers, it s tough to believe the protective order wasn t always going to be rain here. john, do you have a sense just given the fact that i think yesterday judge cannon filed a motion asking trump s lawyers to contact the doj regarding their security clearances so they can sort of get started on effectively ....
They ve got that on the fastest trying to get on. jack smith is laser focused on moving the classified documents case forward. that motion today shows he s following by the book, he s not deferring too much to former president trump. it s by the book. he s focused on the things that matter. they definitely matter about the bond with former president trump, he s going to show, we know what he looks like. but i think jack smith is laser focused on moving the case forward on the things that matter and that shows you he doesn t want the evidence getting leaked out. joyce i want to ask you about the speed with which jack spent this pursuing all of this. but i would like to get your thoughts on the idea that the special counsel is worried the disclosure of some of this material may affect an ongoing investigation. does that at all suggest to you that there might be more indictments coming as john i think just suggested, in the mar-a-lago documents case? or do you see that as potential witn ....