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not broad deficit or deficit targets that punt the questions to the future. and with the exception of tax hikes, which in my opinion will destroy american jobs, everything is on the table. will, what serious conversation about debt reduction begins by absolutely taking the possibility or discussion of tax hikes off the table? not very many serious discussions. i don t know. i remember when i was little, my dad took me to a car dealership and said, this is how you buy a car. i remember they wrote the numbers down on a piece of paper and slid them across the table. my dad s offer was excessively low. that s the only comparison i can make. i look to guys more like tom coburn. you can t question coburn s ideological position. i hope you re right. that s what people around me at the speech were saying. it s an hoping salvo. jean, if we wanted to keep our debt at the level that it s at right now, not reducing it just simply keeping it from growing through spending cut, ....