In the us is in ferment, with students occupying certain grounds within the university. Mm hm. Youve written a lot over many years about the intellectual atmosphere on campus in america, so i want to begin by asking you what you make of these protests. So, of course, the right to protest, were all in favour of. The key issue for me is intimidation. This is what began in 2015 a change in the nature of campus life, so that people who are making a political point are doing it not with persuasion but with intimidation. And ive done a lot of writing about how it was the arrival of social media that allowed people to intimidate others, threaten any dissenters with mob reactions. So my previous book, the coddling of the american mind, was about this strange, new and really kind of frightening morality that came to us right around 2015 it wasnt there in 2013. And so im starting this way because this is the backstory to whats happening today. Yeah, but what youve already said is important becau