saying something we ll come back to that point in a second. i hear a disembodied voice. it belongs to bakari sellers. go. first of all, trump s not transparent with all due respect. donald trump s a liar and i think we need to be extremely clear about this. the dangerous part about this and you re correct in the second part is to tie this and go back full circle with the polling, he tries to just alter reality, and he still gets 30% to 35% to 40% of the american public who stand by him. that is what s mind-boggling. that is what s dangerous. but we have to be very clear in our language. i don t think let me explain. what i was saying is when he lies, it s very transparent what he is trying to do, what he fears, how he s trying to change the information environment. that s what i mean. now that you two have made peace. you re right. he s an unabashed liar. there we go. i got it. you have no argument from me on that. i do want to bring michael caputo in and tie it b
like, you get in the car and your staff is like mm-hmm. yes. oh, my god. and do you sort of sit around blaming yourself? unfortunately, that s my one of my character flaws, is that i do sometimes sit around and say, oh, my god, why did i do that? reporter: mccain believes he understands what his biggest mistake was. there s a tug-of-war every candidate shares between being yourself and sticking to a carefully calibrated message. thank you. senator mccain, one more question. you can t become almost totally scripted, so that there s no mistake, and as you know, my greatest strength is extemporaneous. we re scared of an obama presidency. reporter: but sometimes there s a moment i will respect him and i want no, no! reporter: as there was during one town hall where we saw the real mccain. i can t trust obama. he s an arab. he is not
that went on at trump tower that is still being investigated to an extent with the donald trump jr. meeting. and there are still questions about that. is there a mueller ruling or a mueller indictment or a mueller written statement on that? not yet. joan, go ahead. no, i m just saying that e-mail will always stand out. you know, the russian government is interested in offering the campaign some dirt. if it s what you say, i love it. you re welcoming something that is illegal. not cash but material assistance from a foreign government to a campaign. that is a conspiracy. i mean i don t know how don junior gets out of that. we ll see if it s a conspiracy. by not taking anything at all can i comment? from the russians. can i comment real quick? michael, you have ten seconds. then i ve got to give bakari the last word. does bakari go now or i? you go, it s eight seconds and then bakari. i m going to hand my time over to bakari because i like him a lot. all right.
and otherwise, if paul manafort hadn t run donald trump s campaign, would he be a free man today? that s my one asterisk on this but if you re guilty if the investigation hadn t been going on, they never would have known that he was breaking the law or the eight different laws that there was concern about possible apparently the justice department was on to him years ago and didn t think it was significant to prosecute. clearly mueller wants to nail him to the wall, apparently to try to flip him. now, the question is if he does flip, what does he actually know, if anything? and just so far in none of these indictments or pleas have you seen any indication of a criminal conspiracy with the russians, which is what this investigation was supposed to be about from the beginning. so, yes, if you catch dirty lobbyists, by all means throw the book at them. but i think giuliani s point is sound so far given what we know publicly, that none of this indicates that the big white whale
reporter: mccain believes he understands what his biggest mistake was. there s a tug-of-war every candidate shares between being yourself and sticking to a carefully calibrated message. thank you. senator mccain, one more question. you can t become almost totally scripted, so that there s no mistake, and as you know, my greatest strength is extemporaneous. we re scared of an obama presidency. reporter: but sometimes there s a moment i will respect him and i want no, no! reporter: as there was during one town hall where we saw the real mccain. i can t trust obama. he s an arab. he is not no, ma am. no? no, ma am. no, ma am. he s a he s a he s a decent family man citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. and that s what this campaign is all about. he s not. thank you. [ applause ]