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National guard and then when we included mr. Stanger, the three of us discussed the specific issue as to whether the intelligence warranted the troops and the answer was no. The collective answer was no and then mr. Stanger put forth his recommendation to have them on stand by. And my recollection was mr. Sund was very satisfied with that, in fact he briefed the following day that he was satisfied and i heard no concern anytime thereafter. Were you concerned, this use of the word optics, the appearance, what it would look like to have the guard, this is what mr. Sund has testified was a concern on january 4th, that there was a reluctance to request assistance because of the appearance, was there something that you were whats the appearance that you were concerned about, mr. Irving, if, indeed, you were, were you concerned that having the guard present would look like it was too militarized . Were you concerned about the criticism of the guard being deployed in washington during rioting

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