popular. because once these energies of lawlessness in all areas are unleashed. it is very difficult to kind of put them back in place. and if the whole party converts itself to a lawless operation, a criminal organization, which is what the indictment out of georgia was kind of saying it was, it is very difficult to contain that. unfortunately, it has to burn itself out sometimes. ruth, thanks as always. we appreciate you being with us and letting us understand these things through your lens. a very important lens that really shines bright right now. thanks so much for. that ruth ben-ghiat is a professor at nyu. many, you and i, you were talking about how long you spent talking to ruth about these things. you and i were in hungry, where they are not very democratic leader is sort of in cahoots with the republican party here. fox news has gone over and done shows in hungary, viktor orban comes and speaks at cpac. nobody is hiding from this. no, this is a party white phenomenon. thi
have a past with communications or journalism. they know how to bring out people, a feeling and make it part of a larger movement. it s interesting that, originally, trump used to say he was building a movement. but it doesn t work unless these things are already in the culture. and just look at the toxic masculinity and who do we have? we have someone who, you know, right before the 2016 election came out, his kind of sexism and boasting about sexual assault. i had a feeling, unfortunately this would make him more popular. because once these energies of lawlessness in all areas are unleashed. it is very difficult to kind of put them back in place. and if the whole party converts itself to a lawless operation, a criminal organization, which is what the indictment out of