every december, of course. the debt ceiling has to be dealt with by december 15th. is it your understanding that senator schumer also wants the build back better bill on the senate floor that week? that s our goal. of course we have to go through the parliamentarian entanglement. i won t try to explain that to your viewers other than to say it s complicated and takes longer than you think. the bottom line is we need a deadline to get this done. deadlines work. why do most people wait until april 15th? because that s the deadline. why do they wait until the last minute to make a dental appointment? there s a deadline. the same is true for the senate. when we have deadlines, we respond to them, as we should. senator durbin, thank you for your time. thank you, kate. coming up for us, lawyers for former president trump are in a federal court right now trying to keep his white house records secret. will congressional investigators win this battle this time?