actual trial. we can t take up the matter we don t have and so hopefully they ll be on the way over at some point. nancy pelosi seems confident in her decision to hold the articles even as republicans are accusing her of fearing for what the senate trial will look like. telling politico this. i am never afraid and i am rarely surprised. i am pretty sure that s about to be on a t-shirt some where. joining me now, ken dilanian, heidi and our congressional affair at the fbi. heidi, to you first, on july 25th, let s go to these names slowly. mike duffy from the omb e-mailed
and concerned about the aid on the day of the phone call, on july 25th. no. actually, it doesn t. if you look at all those the witnesses, no one had the knowledge. it s based on hearsay, conjecture and speculation. only 3 witnesses who actually heard the call and they interpreted it three different ways. what matters is what the ukrainians thought. you can t have bribery if they didn t know it was happening. military aid was released. ze llensky has not had a meetin at the white house and the aid was released after the whistle-blower came forward. after all of that happened there was a search for justification for the aid and why it was being withheld. we also know, you know, president trump asked for a favor though after zelensky on the phone call mentioned the
trigger. five words. do us a favor, though. the central question for us to resolve on this committee is whether the president sought a political favor or is he, as my republican colleague suggests, an anti-corruption crusader? that notion is laughable. but let s just check the record to see what it says. donald trump spoke to the ukrainian president twice. once on april 21st. he did not use the word corruption once. he had a second call with the president of ukraine. on july 25th. he did not use the word corruption once. donald trump s own department of defense wrote a letter to the congress on may 23rd, and said
have gotten pulled into a fight over some of these issues? i don t know. but republicans were frankly quite successful at just throwingithro throwing the distractions out there. there were some falsehoods. congressman jim jordan making the climb that the ukrainians didn t know the military aid had been held. laura cooper testified from tfr department teched. on july 25th, a member of my staff got a question from a ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with ukraine s security assistance. the same day as the infamous call. more gaslighting? absolutely. listen, the republicans are going to keep pressing their stories whether they re true or not as long as they can get away with it. that s why i think it s good to rebut. tonight i ask viewers to go back, oh, but you remember this person who testified two weeks ago? she said something different. you had to rebut it right on the spot. here s what i did think, don,
political interests of donald trump and the republican party. that s illegal, right? that s cheating in the elections, and they all f participated in it. congress has to focus on the president, but we can do more than one thing at a time, right? there can be other parallel tracks established. and for me, the most important is this kind of broad strategic strategy review that i think needs to happen. the damage that s been done to our standing in the world, to our national security, to the questions that still remain about russia s influence over this administration, these are world-altering things. we ll be living in a different national security environment, a different set of geopolitical realities for the next generation of our lives because of donald trump s presidency. let s do a report on that. bring it to the american people in the summer and fall so that they have that information to be able to make up their mind in the elections in 2020. do you think that william barr would