invasion of ukraine. it makes no sense for russian interests. but an issue i think is troublesome, zelensky saying putin can t be allowed to win. putin is a thug and war criminal, we know that. since we can t send in military force without risking a nuclear war. zelensky has to be prepared to deal. offering a neutrality agreement. i think it pressure on the russian people grows, putin will become more willing to make a deal to get out of this. or maybe there will be an effort to overthrow him. but something is going to break. jon: judy, what about that possibility, the possibility that someone overthrows putin. a guy who has ruled russia with