Im stephen sackur. President Robert Mugabe of zimbabwe is 93 years old. His wife recently suggested he could win re election as a corpse. But failing that, zimbabwe needs to grapple with the issue of succession. And will follow mugabe . My guest is his former Vice President and one time heir apparentjoice mujuru. She broke away from the ruling party two years ago and now leads her own opposition party, but how tainted is she by her Long Association with Robert Mugabe . Joice mujuru, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. How can you persuade the zimbabwean people that you are an agent of change when for most of your adult life youve been one of Robert Mugabes most loyal allies and associates . Thank you very much. The way how i left zanu pf did not go down well with the rest of the country, because i never replied, i never did anything. But they know me, even during the Robert Mugabe government, that as much as i was loyal to my party, which i fought for, i was also loyal to zimbabweans becau
You talk about frustration with government now, but your whole career basically sounds as though you have been banging your head against a brick wall. Did you learn some lessons from that . Of course, of course. What lessons did you draw . It seems like the only lesson you took was, you know what, after a while you betray your best friends in politics . No. I dont agree with that at all. I bet you know. I bet you know how do you feel as president that you are going to go down in history as a president who presided over a loss of a large part of your territory . I understood that you wished to do this interview, and you wished to reply to questions that we, In The Name Of the bbc, are putting towards you. Am i not right . Yeah, cheers. Hardtalk. To the next 20 years well you got water and ive got wine . thats terrible 0ur show has a name which gives you a very strong clue as to what youre going to get. And i do wonder sometimes whether calling the Programme Hardtalk has been a huge adva
Banging your head against a brick wall. Did you learn some lessons from that . Of course, of course. What lessons did you draw . It seems like the only lesson you took was, you know what, after a while you betray your best friends in politics . No. I dont agree with that at all. How do you feel as president that you are going to go down in history as a president who presided over a loss of a large part of your territory . I understood that you wished to do this interview, and you wished to reply to questions that we, In The Name Of the bbc, are putting towards you. Am i not right . Yeah, cheers. Hardtalk. Well you got water and ive got wine . thats terrible our show has a name which gives you a very strong clue as to what youre going to get. And i do wonder sometimes whether calling the Programme Hardtalk has been a huge advantage, because it cuts through. And i think people know what our show is about. It has an extraordinarily clear and strong profile. But also, there are some people
Banging your head against a brick wall. Did you learn some lessons from that . Of course, of course. What lessons did you draw . It seems like the only lesson you took was, you know what, after a while you betray your best friends in politics . No. I dont agree with that at all. How do you feel as president that you are going to go down in history as a president who presided over a loss of a large part of your territory . I understood that you wished to do this interview, and you wished to reply to questions that we, In The Name Of the bbc, are putting towards you. Am i not right . Yeah, cheers. Hardtalk. Well you got water and ive got wine . thats terrible our show has a name which gives you a very strong clue as to what youre going to get. And i do wonder sometimes whether calling the Programme Hardtalk has been a huge advantage, because it cuts through. And i think people know what our show is about. It has an extraordinarily clear and strong profile. But also, there are some people
Banging your head against a brick wall. Did you learn some lessons from that . Of course, of course. What lessons did you draw . It seems like the only lesson you took was, you know what, after a while you betray your best friends in politics . No. I dont agree with that at all. How do you feel as president that you are going to go down in history as a president who presided over a loss of a large part of your territory . I understood that you wished to do this interview, and you wished to reply to questions that we, In The Name Of the bbc, are putting towards you. Am i not right . Yeah, cheers. Hardtalk. Well you got water and ive got wine . thats terrible our show has a name which gives you a very strong clue as to what youre going to get. And i do wonder sometimes whether calling the Programme Hardtalk has been a huge advantage, because it cuts through. And i think people know what our show is about. It has an extraordinarily clear and strong profile. But also, there are some people