professor at the university of michigan and msnbc legal analyst, yamiche alcindor, nbc news washington correspondent. dasha, we re waiting, we re watching this historic moment. set the stage for us outside of trump tower. well, we have got a calm before the storm here yesterday. we had a massive crowd, a lot of noise today. it has been fairly quiet this is a business district, a tourist district, a lot of curiosity, a lot of onlookers. we have choppers overhead. we have got some anticipation building there are officers, heavy police presence here, some officers directing traffic right now, getting ready for the motorcade to make its way downtown and, look, this is a building, this is a residence that was the center of gravity for the trump campaign back in 2016, the center of his power. now, the place where he begins to make a journey that is unlike a journey that he has made in new york city before now to downtown to the courthouse where he will be arraigned, where he will
glimpse of what s happening behind the scenes in the documents investigation. prosecutors are reportedly laser focused on a witness that could lead them directly to the impeached disgraced president himself. and witness for prosecutors is walt nata who worked as a valet and cook when trump was president and him later personally in mar-a-lago. the president s private residence in florida. prosecutors have indicated they re skeptical of an initial account he gave investigators. that s according to two people briefed on the matter. and here is what prosecutors hope to learn from nauta from the timers reporting, quote, security camera footage obtained by investigators showed mr. nauta moving boxes out of the storage area at mar-a-lago. raising the questions about whether they were moved at trump s behest, to conceal them from the authorities. or trump s own lawyers who were dealing with demands that he return the documents. both the justice department and the attorney for walt na
obstructer in chief and obstruction is really important in this investigation because it is not just about the fact he stole these highly sensitive documents, it is about what he did when he was confronted with that and sending his lawyer out to potentially lie and say all the documents were turned over when more than 100 were not that s not something former vice president pence did, that s not something president biden did, but it sure looks like it is something that donald trump did. and so, a day of reckoning is coming on that, i very much suspect. neal, i m going to pick on you and ask another question in 2016, donald trump said a lot that you can t vote for hillary clinton because she s going to be under indictment, you can t have somebody in office who is under indictment donald trump is now under indictment he could go to trial, he could be convicted he could, could, serve prison time, not likely in the case of this we ll see the indictment and all the charges listed so we don
presidential nominee but it does allow them to slow the process to a near halt, requiring hours of debate on each of the positions. cancun cruz is a long-time obstructer demanding that president biden sanction russia s nord stream 2 project or he will continue to slow roll the nominees. and josh don t cancel me hawley vowed to block all security national nominees over the biden administration s handling of getting out of afghanistan, insisting he will not budge unless the secretary of state, secretary of defense and national security advisor all resign. yeah, okay. we ve already seen some real world consequences of this obstruction in afghanistan. when the withdrawal began, there was no senate confirmed ambassador to the country. and the senior state department position overseeing that region of asia was also vacant. it s also a problem, the state department is facing all over the globe. can we go ahead and put up that list of all the ambassadors that have been confirmed so far. can
kushn kushner, john kelly, jeff sessions. the white house has not been cooperative so far as one of your democratic colleagues put it to me, the white house has put up a wall of defiance. what do you expect to happen with the next round of subpoenas? what s your plan, i would say if, but we know it s when, the white house ignores the subpoenas? we re going to hear from these witnesses. we re not going to hear from them as fast as we want because they re obstructing by orders from the white house. i personally believe that empty chairs should amount to empty pockets. that there should be fines for people who aren t going to come in. you don t have to follow a lawless order from the president. if you re a good person who wants to do the right thing and help your country understand what the russians did, just say screw the president and, you know, his obstruction. i m going to come in and do the right thing. i think it s time for people to step back and say do i want to be a patriot or