Assault, will kyiv be impacted by the shift in attention to that escalation of conflict in the middle east . Well, my guest is olha stefanishyna, Ukraines Deputy Prime Minister for european and Euro Atlantic European and euro atla ntic integration. European and euro atlantic integration. With the fighting attritional and winter looming, should ukraine be concerned about the long term sustainability of the backing it gets from Western Allies . Olha stefanishyna in kyiv, welcome to hardtalk. Greetings from kyiv, indeed, good to hear you. Good to see, you steve. Thank you forjoining us. Madam deputy Prime Minister, let me ask you a very simple question does it worry you the world now has another deeply troubling conflict to focus on . That is, of course, the escalating war in the middle east . ~ h, escalating war in the middle east . ~ , ~. , east . Well, sadly we know very well when east . Well, sadly we know very well when massive east . Well, sadly we know very well when massive atroci
of an aggressive expansion particularly over nato? well, first, i think it is important to point out that putin is making a strawman argument, as the uk defence secretary ben wallace recently wrote in the times. nato only borders about 6% of russia s borders. there is no plan for ukraine or other public and georgia there is no plan for ukraine or for the republic of georgia to join nato any time in the nearfuture they re not close to achieving the standards that are required for nato members and so i think putin is looking for a pretext for a conflict. that s what russia actually was looking for with its demands as well, an end to nato s open door policy and a promise that ukraine and georgia wouldn t become nato members, absolutely denying the millions of ukrainians and georgians who increasingly and overwhelmingly want euro atla ntic integration for their countries, not to mention that these countries and their political leaders have the right to decide their own allies. so that
and euro atla ntic integration. thank you so much for being with us on bbc news. i wanted to start, if i may, with what president zelensky had to say in his address to the ukrainian people on friday night. it was, in many ways, a message to russians to say, if you want to recover from the mistakes you have made with this invasion, you have to talk and you have to talk substantively. what is it that ukraine ones to talk about beyond simply getting the troops out and for the violence to end? i simply getting the troops out and for the violence to end? simply getting the troops out and for the violence to end? i think you outlined it very for the violence to end? i think you outlined it very clearly, for the violence to end? i think you outlined it very clearly, not - for the violence to end? i think you outlined it very clearly, not only . outlined it very clearly, not only violence to end and troops getting out but also preserving our territorial integrity, sovereignty and independ
still considered relatively safe. the un says nearly 6.5 million people are now displaced within ukraine. 3.2 million more have already left the country altogether. in a central square in lviv, they have placed these pushchairs to represent each child killed in a war that has lasted three weeks and seems far from over. jon donnison, bbc news. we rejoined now from kyiv by ivanna, a ukrainian mp and former deputy prime minister for european and euro atla ntic integration. thank you very much for your time with us today on breakfast. can you tell me what the situation is in kyiv as you see it now?- tell me what the situation is in kyiv as you see it now? well, at this particular kyiv as you see it now? well, at this particular moment, - kyiv as you see it now? well, at this particular moment, thank. kyiv as you see it now? well, at i this particular moment, thank god kyiv as you see it now? well, at - this particular moment, thank god it is quiet. we had a couple of sirens
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