today s day and age it is a john. these tsa workers right now have better health insurance i ve got being self-employed. they already get good benefits. they already have a job. you know, the fbi, the cia, other law enforcement, quasi-law enforcement officers can t unionize. and they can t for a reason because they re, they may need to be called on to do extraordinarily things to protech the public. and you know, they need to be able, management needs to be free to deploy them at any time and a union is just going to get in the way. jon: well, they re not allowed to strike under these new union organizing rights. they can negotiate, well, go ahead, nicole. it is foot in the door. they re getting their foot in the door. they re actually law enforcement does unionize. most police officers belong to a member after union and doesn t affect their ability to provide security and to provide the services that
things we would like to focus on and it they get a lot of complaints like that, they can go with collective voice we need to make amendments how long the shift is and how long the person works in a row without a break. you have a happier person standing there at the gate. it sounds trite but it can matter when the person is focused on inspecting the bags and making sure passengers are safe. jon: duane, do you have a problem with that? happy workers right now are workers that have a job. these people have jobs. not only do they have jobs have a government job with full government benefit. these are not bad jobs. i mean it is not, it is not great. i mean being a tsa agent isn t going to be, probably isn t a real fun job but you know what? they get full government benefits. like i said, they get more benefits than i get being self-employed. jon: nicole, what is to prevent them from saying hey, there are only 40,000 of us and we re working way too hard, we need 80,000 and taxpayers shoul
now under the obama administration it is going to be allowed to do that. it s not like a subsequent president is going to be able to dismantle the union, is it? well probably not and under bush this was a i about partisan vote when they created the tsa. it was bipartisan decision that they couldn t collectively bargain. they tried to make them in the form of the cia, the fbi. they tried to make it so that, you know, this is a security agency. you know, historically unions only benefit the union members. it is not going to benefit the taxpayers. it is no the going to benefit the flying public. the only thing that this is going to benefit are president obama because he is going to be getting more union votes and the union workers themselves. that is the only people that are going to benefit from this. jon: we ll have to leave it at that. duane and nicole, good discussion. thank you both. thanks, jon. thanks. julie: now that many of our
know those folks who check you out at the airport, it is giving them limited union organizing rights. so does that enhance the security of the flying public or is it a political hug for unions? nicole deborg is former prosecutor. duane gates is a former criminal defense attorney. nicole, you like this idea. why? if you have a happy employees and fell like they have a voice they will do better work and if they feel they have a problem and come to the union and have collective voice to complain about it without repercussions. it could have positive impact on working group of people who are employed checking our security. jon: duane, i ve got to say i would not want to be one of those two tsa agents. i think it is kind of a miserable job and maybe a thankless one but at the same time i don t know why nicing in a union is going to make the job any better? well, probably not going to make the job any better. it s a tough job but in
were disgruntled, they did a slowdown. they decided to search every bag individually and they virtually stopped aircraft in canada in 2006. just because, this was a political promise. it doesn t stop them from making a new political promise to give the unions more and more power as it goes along. the union boss himself said this is a foot in the door. jon: and duane, is your name. the boss is john. that is why i got that confused. i apologize for that. nicole, is this really about the safety of the flying public? i mean are all of sudden airplanes going to be safer because of this, or is this more of a political payoff to the president s union supporters? well, it is hard to say whether or not the public will be safer but certainly if you have a union and union gets a lot of complaints from the employees, about, we re feeling like we have to work extensive hours or too many hours. it makes it hard for us to pay attention and focus on