Finances were in a dire state. Hang on. There was this 22 Billion black hole. We spend 1200 Billion billion black hole. We spend i200 billion pounds every year in this 22 Billion so called black hole, a mere accounting device. In this whole debate, what the Labour Government are trying to do was to make the political point that the Conservative Party ran the country into the ground and therefore weve got to punish therefore weve got to punish the pensioners. It is absolute and complete rubbish. And what those we represent cant understand, these people who worked hard all their lives, have done their bit for the country, their total package is perhaps 13 or £14,000 a year. What they cant understand is that this so called saving of public money is actually going to go to Train Drivers who own £70,000 a year. Theyjust dont understand it. So for god sake, lets have a serious debate. Lets try to unite on this issue and lets not keep taking away benefits from people just above the Pension