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Of the probes into trump targeting biden. this is not a drill. this is a test in real time right now of our constitutional system of government. remember, many thought the test would come during the mueller probe because trump ousted two fbi directors and attempted to obstruct the probe. but here s the thing about why that went down differently. it s something that you know as a news viewer about bob mueller. he sticks to the book. he doesn t lean into testing our system of government. he didn t demand the president sit for an interview and he didn t recommend impeachment as other prosecutors investigating presidents have done. so that test, it never came. and legal experts say that was a mark of fairness and restraint by mueller. but the ukraine call notes show donald trump didn t see it that way. we know from his own white house, he told the ukraine prime minister the day after mueller testified that mueller gave a, quote, incompetent in-court performance. trump didn t wait a week or ....
Was brought to this white house in effect, as officials say, to try to make sure that better information was put before the president. but as there s been recent reporting in recent days about executive time, the president showing up in the oval office a little bit later, closer to 11:00, that he has his intelligence briefing, that means there are several early morning hours where the president is still able to watch whatever he likes on television. you know he s a loyal fox & friends news viewer, tweeting about it at least twice early this morning. this does raise questions about anybody including the chief of staff, a former military man, if he s able to produce the leadership. this week alone we have daca, we have fisa. there s a quote from a gop source close to gop leadership in axios, this person says, i ve decided the only way to stay sane in trump s washington is to ignore everything he says. is that the strategy, the policy ....
Yeah. [laughter] megyn: are you suggesting pawlenty is less than dynamic? yes. i m saying megyn: stirewalt says he was very liberal in many of his things as governor, immigration of minnesota, and now i think megyn: but my question is are these independents going to hold things against pawlenty? they re upset with obama and house gopers. i think they re probably waiting to see, get more definition about what the race is going to be. there s too many unknowns. too many unknowns to really know how it s all going to fall a year and a half there now. we re in the summer, a year and a half away. people are going to the beach. i m not sure most people are paying attention right now. megyn: well, i think they pay attention on the big news days, they watch. i really feel like i can speak to this because i was the average news viewer for the past four months. [laughter] and you know, don t they, when there s not a lot of news, and there s something big happening. ....
Justice. he does not obstruct it. let me be clear. that is a specific new charge that tells you on the one hand that this is a big and significant thing they want to address. as with all of these cases, we want to report everything for you. the feds don t just look at a felony out of the blue. they have some sort of reason. but the subjects of these probes, the people caught up in them have their right to make a denial. we have pointed out what has been a salacious case that mr. gaetz maintains his innocence across the probe. we know a sex trafficking probe is ongoing. i want to bring in our experts for this. we have melissa murray, nyu law professor, and jason johnson from morgan state university. welcome to you both. melissa, you don t have to be a long-time news viewer to remember that donald trump was accused of multiple instances of obstruction of justice. the conservative count in the mueller report is five and then ....