joining me now is the scottish conservative spokesperson for net zero, energy and transport, douglas lumsden msp, and shadow leader of the house, labour s thangam debbonaire. first, thank you very much for coming, douglas lumsden. you had a day, if you want to wean yourself off smoking, why buy a pack of cigarettes? if we are trying to wean ourselves off gas and oil, why is the common granting hundreds of new licences? ~ . ., ., , , licences? we are weaning ourselves off as and licences? we are weaning ourselves off gas and oil licences? we are weaning ourselves off gas and oil but it licences? we are weaning ourselves off gas and oil but it does take - off gas and oil but it does take a long time. from what we heard from the perimeter today, by 2050, the uk will be a net zero country, but we will be a net zero country, but we will still have, we will still rely on oil and gas, 25% of our energy needs will still come from oil and gas by 2050. so surely it is better that we protect o