Nato has expelled some russian diplomats, saying they were spying, then russia closed down its mission at nato. so they always wanted to talk to russia. but you are right, we had the choreography of the us talking with russia earlier this week in geneva again, no breakthrough. the talks here in brussels between nato, all 30 members, went on for four hours longer than predicted, that said, again, no breakthrough. neitherside appears willing to blink on the key demands. now for nato, they do not agree with russia s demands to halt the expansion of the alliance, to allow member states to join nato would like, for example, ukraine. as far as nato is concerned, they want russia to de escalate no indication russia will do that. ....