hun hundreds of years, we have never defaulted. there s always been debate. to continue to come back and say we re going to continue to lift the debt limit ceiling without having cuts. this is exactly the wrong i have to say what you re saying it s about past spending. i understand that, but you can still cut the things that were put in place. that s when trump was the president. he raised the debt ceiling without cuts, without take k the country to the brink, and he said that you do not negotiate over the country s ability to pay its debts. i mean, that s what trump said back in the day. republicans raised the debt ceiling under trump and didn t bat an eye about it. i agree. i m not saying it s not the right thing. i think just to catherine s point, this is not how it s always been. this is a kind of more recent phenomenon to use it as a negotiating tactic, and man chin, i think if you re the white house you re probably worried. he may run for re-election, right an
defaulted. continuing to come back and say, we are going to continue to lift the debt limit ceiling without actually having cuts like, why are we spending wrong frame i have to say, what you are saying back when trump was the president, he raised the debt ceiling without cuts, without taking the country to the brink, and he said that you do not negotiate over the country s ability to pay its debts. that s what republican said back in the day. republicans raise the debt ceiling up to trump and did not bat an eye about it. i agree. i think, just a catherine s point this is not how it has always been. this is kind of a more recent phenomenon, to use it as a negotiating tactic. and senator manchin, if you are the white house, you are probably a little bit worried. because he may run for reelection. and senator manchin may be absolutely. joe manchin is a guy who sat
the united states. maura, that s the oint, is the united states. maura, that s the point. is this the united states. maura, that s the point, is this just the united states. maura, that s the point, is thisjust a the united states. maura, that s the point, is thisjust a negotiating i point, is this just a negotiating tactic? why would it be any different this time?- tactic? why would it be any different this time? again, it s really toxic different this time? again, it s really toxic for different this time? again, it s really toxic for republicans i different this time? again, it s really toxic for republicans to | different this time? again, it s i really toxic for republicans to even talk about really toxic for republicans to even talk about raising the debt, but is a fundamental necessity. 0ne talk about raising the debt, but is a fundamental necessity. one of the biggest a fundamental necessity. one of the biggest ones will be the student loan repayment that the pres
next. some of these items were negotiating tactics. mccarthy and the republicans are talking about raising spending by 1%. to me it s a little unrealistic and feels like a negotiating tactic. bill: get rid of student loans. claw back covid money. we also saw we ll raise the debt ceiling. dana: they didn t think he could do it. he had a tremendous victory and rally 217 votes to pass that bill. now he has to deal with the democrats in the senate and it is probably going to fail in the senate and joe biden is promising to veto it. bill: a quick moment. here is mccarthy raising that yesterday.
mentioning debt ceiling. are you concerned there are zero negotiate is going on? center joe manchin migrant democratic colleagues was here last week he called out the president and said he s gotta step up to the plate and get everybody to the table this negotiating tactic is going to take us to the cliff again. as i do think we need to negotiate for there is no question but negotiate the budget for the next fiscal year that starts october 1. we shouldn t negotiate if are going to pay our bills regarding committed and spence, that s what the debt ceiling is about. click increase it in the past so that this debate and drama. let s get the debt ceiling extended. and then sit down before octobet which will not be the president s budget for it won t be the republicans budget. won t be the senate budget. it will be a budget that is negotiate between the house and senate, congress and the administration for that s what we need to do, that is how congress works best. but don t do it on the deb