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It s we speak today about natallya, i have to take a break. when we come back i want to ask andrey kortunov what it would take for putin to deescalate and of course i have to bring katrin bennhold in to get the perspective from berlin on all of this. ve saved, what you ll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when you re not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we ll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees. we ll help you go from saving. to living. play all day ....
i want to keep talking about russia and ukraine, but joining me now are experts on the ground in those two countries and one other key player in the story that i mentioned, germany. andrey kortunov is one of russia s top foreign policy thinkers. he is the director general of russian interaffairs council. natallya gumenyuk is a ukrainian journalist who reports on conflict and international security and katrin bennhold is the new york times berlin bureau chief. natallya, let me start with you. i think you are in kharkiv, 40 or 50 miles away from where russian troops are, it s a russian-speaking area. what is the atmosphere there and what can you tell us about the atmosphere in those russian-speaking parts of ukraine? hi. good to talk to you indeed. ....
Now to make ukraine a nation, which arguably in some ways it wasn t before, uniting ukraine. he has also given nato a reason to exist. some now feel as this escalates that he may just be the reason that germany moves from this very tortured past, from a past where it was on the wrong side of history and had struggled with leading in any way with military power, moving perhaps into a future that is different. so it s possible that putin ironically perhaps might be achieving just that. there s certainly signs that the position is hardening now. andrey, what do you think it would take for the russian government to deescalate? because as natallya was saying there have been efforts to negotiate between ukraine and russia, the youk neens believe the russians are making no concessions. the americans have held out the prospect of diplomacy. why is it that, you know, even though there does seem some ....
Mad for the ukrainian government to choose this moment to try to retake donbas with all those russian troops there. there s a lot of fear in the west that that is an excuse that will be manufactured so that russian troops can go in and claim that they are simply protecting people in donbas. well, you know, i am not in a position to judge about what the ukrainian leadership is up to, but according to the russian intelligence, at least that s what they claim officially, there is a major concentration of ukrainian troops in the donbas area and if you follow the political discourse in kyiv, not everybody in the ukrainian leadership is happy about the minsk agreements. there are many people who maintain that these agreements are detrimental to the ukrainian sovereignty and to the national interests of ukraine and, therefore, they have to be and some other ways of reincorporating of donbas should be considered by kyiv. natallya, let me ask you whether you could imagine the ukrainian go ....
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