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But we have been meeting on a number of occasions and we haven t had a deadline set yet from the council on even you all making a decision on the blm mural. gervonn: seven months. it took seven months of this nucleus of students that were then when community members started saying, well, why is this such a challenge? why is this such an issue? elie: i don t want to, um, you know, make anyone on this call think that we re trying to brush it under the rug. but there s the delay is trying to work with the elected officials. everybody here has a different concern. and the issue is how do we get consensus? natacha: five other communities have put up blm murals. we re asking that you give us a deadline. thelma: this is still upsetting me after 30 years ago. and it shouldn t be that i have to go through this pain again, over and over again. elie: you know, ms. pannell, i feel your pain. actually, i don t feel your pain. ....
You know, especially like around his birthdays. you know, there s not really a day that i don t. steven: i m sad that i never got to see him as an adult because i just know that he would have been like, a great dad. like, i know that. i know that he would like, he would have been everything to his kids. like, his sister, he was like everything to her. natacha: to see how much support that s actually out here today in honor of my brother s life is amazing to me. thelma: i just want to thank the town of teaneck for the tree of healing for my son in his name. it s been a long, long time coming. a long time coming. now we re going to let these balloons go in phillip pannell s name. rest in heaven, phillip, let it go. male: happy birthday, phillip. this is for you. (music) much love, phillip pannell. (clapping) ....
But i just wanted to make sure that the community was brought up to date and up to speed. jim: sure, things have changed. gervonn: after george floyd happened, there was a community outcry for a black lives matter mural in teaneck. there were students that started with this, young black students, young white students. all these petitions came in week after week, placing a demand. natacha: we presented a design to them and it had my brother s name in the middle of one of the letters, and they was like, oh no, we re opposed of this because it has full pannell s name on it. when we asked them why, and they said that there are people to this day who are on the opposing side that believes that, you know, spath was justified. jim: one of the things that we were concerned about was an emphasis on names because we wanted something that we felt would bring together the township. elie: i think that there are a lot of people in this community that still feel the divisions, and i did not ....
Thelma: why, lord, why? dale: let s go. that s all right. they ll be taken care of. thelma: why lord, jesus, why? dale: 16 year old boy, in his grave, dead. shot in the back. gonna let this man walk. how? there s no justice in this world. none! thelma: (crying) dale: none! thelma: (crying) why? thelma: oh, boy. peter: after thelma pannell was led out of the courtroom by her friend, she had all but collapsed in the hallway. the press was not allowed anywhere near the courtroom for about good 5 minutes, because thelma pannell was outside of that courtroom in a hallway, sobbing, just terrible, deep sobs. natacha: my mother was really hysterical and she broke down and she was saying, why, why? why, lord? bernie: i remember phil s mom s face ....