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Develop wildfire strategy for the entire western region. as you know, climate change knows no boundaries and certainly these wildfires don t either. all right, governor kate brown of oregon, thanks so much for making time tonight. naomi kline is a professor of climate justice, author of a number of books including on fire, the burning case for a green new deal and she joins me now. naomi, i know that you have reported on and written about migration and population movement in response to the warming of the planet. i think it s something that we don t think about a lot because i don t think we think of our era being an era like the dust bowl or the great northern migration where huge amounts of people are going to move around. but it seems to me inevitable there s going to be huge population displacements and movements in the era that we re entering into. well, i think we re in that era, chris. it s good to be with you. ....
how low is the bar? i don t know if you ever this isn t really your politic. if you ever read naomi kline s shock doctrine. it s shock aftershock aftershock. you can never quite take in the enormity of it all. all the things you just listed. think back 20 years ago last week, this week was the monica lewinsky scandal breaking. think about what an earth shattering revelation that was. we re having monica lewinsky level scandals this, this many in one week. the government hadn t shut down a week ago this hour. you ve done some of the best analysis of the president s twitter feed. you understand better than anyone what his inputs are, what his outputs are. speak about whether this is volume business or life inside his bubble. there is this illusion brought up many times when mr. burns goes into the doctor, the doctor tell him he has literally everything. that s okay, everything is in balance. it s a great little scene. to the point you re making, what are you going to blackmai ....