(MENAFN - Venezuelanalysis.com) Iraida Morocoima and Juan Carlos RodrÃguez are spokespeople for the Campamentos de Pioneros [henceforth Pioneros], an autonomous Chavista initiative dedicated to self-organized housing construction, but whose struggle goes beyond individual housing solutions. Pioneros is part of the larger Movimiento de Pobladoras y Pobladores [Settlers Movement, henceforth Pobladoras], a platform bringing together several organizations struggling against the logic of capital in urban environments. In Part II of this interview, Morocoima and RodrÃguez talk about two conflicting models of the state, and about their proposal for building a radically new communal society. [Read Part I here .]