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Think we could have got this off the ground if we hadn t been prepared to talk to everyone, and then there really is this thing about the people being prepared to act in a way that isn t politically conventional, so 30 years, the irish t shirt. i mean, he could have stuck in a fairly traditional irish position on everything, but he didn t and that we each kind of liberated each other, so and then, when it comes back to what you and president clinton, we re just talking about it became easier for him to intervene constructively when it looked like everyone was being involved , and there was a seat at the table for everyone, and then momoa moves. at that time, the secretary of state for northern ireland actually visited loyalist prisoners who are from the other side engage in terrorist activity. and that again was something that a lot of people you know, they really recoiled from, but i don t the whole point about the peace process. you re never going to get anywhere unless everyone is p ....