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General and has been involved in education programs with the ukrainian military. i want to put up on the map so people can see the sites where there have been explosions and we heard that ukrainian official if not confirm that it was ukrainian strikes at least gloat about the facts that they may be on fire. what s the significance of these three sites, if these were ukrainian attacks, what do they get out of hitting them? so first off, for the ukrainians, that s where the russians do a lot of marshaling of their forces. they bring them in by rail, reorganize the forces and then onward move them into ukraine. so the depots there are very important not only for fuel but also the rail transport. so these three sites seem to be related to both fuel and rail transportation. they are within range of the border of ukraine. there is some speculation that missiles were used to strike these sites. ....
Of course, u.s. and nato officials have been clear if that were to happen they would consider that an attack on those territories, but there were other ways to pay back, certainly signer is one we ve seen before and now you re seeing energy being used in effect as a weapon here and a consequential one. i will say the effect of that blunted perhaps because we re coming out of the winter here, right? given the role in heating and so on that we would have more impact during those months. the economies depend on russian oil and natural gas for now until they can wean themselves off it. it s going to have significant impact. imagine in the states. in the states our concern now is the cost of gas, which is important, right, but people can still get t imagine if you couldn t get it and that s a future a present future the europeans are looking at right now. jim sciutto, great to have you. thanks so much. i want to bring in general michael repass, the former ....
Preparing for two months now. they know what s coming, they are not surprised by any of this. in fact, the defenses begin much farther out to the east and north of odesa than just right in odesa itself. the russians also know that they can t get too close to odesa from the sea because the ukrainians have demonstrated they will blow their ships out of the water. so the russians don t have an easy pass in odesa. this is not going to be a simple maneuver from the east or in from the north. they re getting challenged to good effect in both areas, so they cannot just take it a quick run into odesa. that s not going to happen. it s a very large city of over a million people and everybody is prepared for the defense. general repass, thank you for being with us. i think you helped us understand what we re seeing develop before our eyes this morning. we appreciate it. good morning. ukrainian officials say russia is struggling to hold a sham referendum in the occupied city of kherson. ....
Areas, right here and right here, what does this tell us about the reach of the ukrainian military? is it expanding? of course, yeah, it s an indication that their reach is not only expanding in practical terms but it also demonstrates a will for the ukrainians to take the fight to the russians. i think that is the most significant impact of what we re seeing right now is that they re willing to go out, reach into russia and affect their interests there dramatically in this case both at the oil and the rail depots. general, as we look at these strikes in odesa, i wonder, do you think the ukrainians are prepared to make that more of a kyiv situation rather than a mariupol situation? what do you think? i think you re exactly on point there, brianna. i think it s more of a kyiv defense than, in fact, what we saw in mariupol. the odesa defenders have been ....
Could be human could be human attacks, i don t know, and ukraine s in fact, as you said, being very clever about what they say on this. general, what do you think how do you think that russia and vladimir putin are viewing these attacks? i think they probably expected them somewhere along the line. they are not happy about it for sure. what it really does is it creates an operational dilemma for russia. as russia is attacking ukraine, they have had a free pass so far. now the ukrainians are striking back on russian soil, creating an operational dilemma for them that they now have to protect these sites, both on the ground and potentially from incoming missiles if they have an anti-missile capability in the area, they haven t demonstrated it so far if they are being attacked by missiles. there have been some ukrainian losses in the east on the ground there, but as we see the ukrainians perhaps striking back and here in the other ....