everyone. mr. cohen is concerned that when you re labeled a rat and you re in a federal prison, there could be some danger from other people. i mean there are isn t just in a movie script when prisoners know, when inmates know that you re a rat, things don t go well for you. and i find that really unsettling that that s what he s facing next month. there s no doubt about that. and remember that being subpoenaed now means that he s compelled to testify. he had initially said he would go voluntarily. it s a little bit different when the government compels you to go, people go or you could be held unless you have a privilege like the 5th amendment, you go or you get held in contempt which means you go to jail. so i think now being under subpoena it s a little bit different. but to your point there s no question donald trump, you know, is playing a dgame of intimidation and threats and michael cohen will be in prison for three years. and donald trump knows a lot about michael cohen
recess. even for that it will be used against them if efforts are made to impeach president trump. but they have a legitimate grievance that their attempts to get oversight have been blocked. they can move for sanctions for contempt, move to have him recused if they there s a conflict of interest but not impeachment. impeachment requires, according to the research in my book, treason, bribery or other high crimes or misdemeanors, not simply not complying with congressional ma mandates or hag a conflict of interest. do you think it s going to be a drip drip situation with michael komen that every day coy we re going to hear new things? how should we prepir fo prepares to go? michael cohen has a great lawyer, a great legal team and they re very experienced and i m sure they have a strategy. rudy giuliani is a great lawyer. we have a clash of really
controversial problem that trump just can t make vanish or go away in the way that he wants. so we know that axios did speak with people inside the trump campaign and the organization about michael cohen. what did they say in terms of why cohen matters sort of in the grand scheme of things? michael cohen, there s no one else like him who s so int intertwined in the president s personal life because he just knows so many secrets that people that are close to the president just don t know if the way that he does. and my sources told mike allen that there are ways in which michael cohen deals on the sidelines and sort of off the books that even president trump doesn t know. and, you know, people say ignorance is bliss, but in this case it s not the situation when the president is becoming more entwined with michael komen and he doesn t even know the sort of