or the cost of school lunches? rather than focus on a top line number we are finally starting to focus on how these specific programs could benefit the country in a real way. as democrats head back into the negotiating room these are the types of questions they should be asking and carefully considering. and that is why this whole process isn t going to be easy because real governing unlike what we ve watched for the last four years is difficult. hopefully it ll get done right and be worth it. joining me now is the democratic senator mays hirono of hawaii serving on both the senate judiciary and armed services committee. aloha. always a pleasure to see you. let me ask you about something unrelated to this particular battle and that is the issue about the abortion rights in texas. we have reporting that your colleague susan collins, senator of maine, is working with another republican and a couple