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fresh leaks pit the spy agency against the obama administration over who knew what about the surveillance of world leaders, and as members of congress demand an investigation and possible curtailment of the collection of foreign intelligence. we re back with joe rago, wall street journal editorial board members, mary anastasia o grady and matt kamensky also joins the panel. so, mary, are you buying the claim that the white house has offered that the president didn t know that the nsa was listening in on world leaders? you know, paul, if the president didn t know, the u.s. is even in worse shape than we thought all along. i mean, first of all, the nsa, everything they do is supervised. this wasn t some rogue operation. this is what they do. and you know, a lot of the data we get from europe is collected in this way. well, by and also collected with the help of the europeans, yeah. so the idea that he didn t know

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