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guest: that s an interesting question. as a person, since this is a biography as a person, a highly intelligent and shrewd, depressive, honorable deeply honorable, very, very talented. i would say a first-rate artist. i guess i have encompassed both his personality and my my own judgment of his art. c-span: when did he die and how old was he? guest: died in 1978. he was 84. lived a long life and was active in his art and his and a very active man until maybe two years before his death. c-span: what age was he when this picture on the cover was taken? guest: well, his family lent me that picture and we none of us have been able to find, you know, the the the origins. but we re guessing it was his mid-20s. he was in his mid-20s. c-span: what was he doing in his mid-20s? guest: he was a playboy. he was living a a pretty aa debauched life in an open marriage and experimenting with high society in new rochelle, new york. c-span: how many children did he have? how man ....

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