going to become something where the desire for debate needs to happen and glad to see trump taking the first step and saying, look, these are serious, serious situations and we need real conversations to fix it. when we talk about politics, there are children who don t have their mothers right now, thousands, right? thousands. let me bring up one point and put the fact out on the table with respect to my friend cliff here. there are still over 2000 children who are celebrated and there s to give to the president. he manufactured this crisis. we don t have to do that. there s no law in place we have to separate families. the executive order that the president signed a few weeks ago does not give awes plan forward or how we re going to reunite 2000 families so this is why we re marching today in washington and across the country. elizabeth: some will say, they re following the law. if they didn t come to the border, if they didn t break the law their families wouldn t be surprised. y
from him yesterday that was speaking to average americans, everyday americans. he literally quoted the villain from the dark knight trilogy. there are people who are drawing some parallels. there is a super cut you can look at and it s in quotes. i think that was amuse bug it s also troubling because i think when you re talking about a dark cloud over the country and you re saying we need to be great again, i think that s a negative take in a time when we need to come together as a country. the election was really bloody and it was divisive, and we need to come together in this moment. and we need trump to actually lead us and do that. zerlina, rick, thanks for coming out on this chilly morning. joe watkins, thanks to you. always good to see you, my friend. thanks so much, chris. at the top of the hour, hear from a mother and gun control advocate who s marching today in washington. we ll ask her if there are any issues where she can get the new president trump a chance.