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Accountable. joining me now, joe scarborough the host of msnbc s morning joe, michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee. joe, i want you to start. big picture, what s the noise level about, as you see it, i think you re a mainstream conservative, what s the message to everybody in this big upset? well, the message to everybody is a message to democrats and republicans alike that the electorate is angry, but you got to stay connected with your electorate, and that just didn t happen with eric cantor. pat buchanan talks about political athletes, and in this case, i think you had buster douglas actually beating mike tyson. it wasn t buster douglas was so great, but tyson just lost his touch in the ring. i mean, think about this. i m a conservative guy, yeah, i m a mainstream conservative guy, but i wouldn t want to vote for a guy that voted for a $7 trillion medicare drug benefit plan without, you know, paying it off. that s what cantor did. he voted for the b ....
Level about, as you see it, i think you re a mainstream conservative, what s the message to everybody in this big upset? well, the message to everybody is a message to democrats and republicans alike that the electorate is angry, but you got to stay connected with your electorate, and that just didn t happen with eric cantor. pat buchanan talks about political athletes, and in this case, i think you had buster douglas actually beating mike tyson. it wasn t buster douglas was so great, but tyson just lost his touch in the ring. i mean, think about this. i m a conservative guy, yeah, i m a mainstream conservative guy, but i wouldn t want to vote for a guy that voted for a $7 trillion medicare drug benefit plan without, you know, paying it off. that s what cantor did. he voted for the bank bailout. he said one thing in washington, d.c. about immigration, he said another thing about immigration when he got home. i don t think it was so much his position on immigration as he just never to ....
Rubio, chris christie owns that stage. scott walker, wisconsin, up for re-election this year, if he wins, you may see him out there. john kasich of ohio, you may see him out there. rick perry may go at it again. to ana s point about the pause, chris christie right now is the only one i ll call mainstream conservative to donors. jeb bush still thinking about it. so some of them are paused because they are not seeing the horse just yet but they will look if they have to. bobby jindal may be looking at it as well, i suspect. these investigations start out modestly and could potentially go on for years. it reminds you of the independent investigations over bill clinton in the 90s which started with whitewater and by the time he was impeached it was ....
Democrat from massachusetts. dick durbin said earlier in the program about not your daddy s gop. as someone who served in the 1990s during another house led, republican house caucus with newt gingrich and so forth, do you think there s been backsliding, erosion on basic consensus support for basic safety net programs? yes, and it began with gingrich. remember, newt gingrich undermined the former republican leader, bob michael, a mainstream conservative because he was too close to tip o neill. they weren t snarling at each other. and, yeah, what you have is a real you have a reversion now on the part of the republican party back before the new deal. there s one very important point. john boehner says, well, this isn t going to help jobs. that is not only a lack of sympathy, not surprised to see that, but it s appalling economic ignorance. there is a broad consensus based on an obvious fact that unemployment compensation does help create jobs. ....
Gotten out of hand. the politics of this place seem to have overcome logic. congressman dan kildee. joining me now, former congressman, barney frank, democrat from massachusetts. dick durbin said earlier in the program about not your daddy s gop. as someone who served in the 1990s during another house led, republican house caucus with newt gingrich and so forth, do you think there s been backsl e backsliding, erosion on basic consensus support for basic safety net programs? yes, and it began with gingrich. remember, newt gingrich undermined the former republican leader, bob michael, a mainstream conservative because he was too close to tip o neill. they weren t snarling at each other. and, yeah, what you have is a real you have a reversion now on the part of the republican party back before the new deal. there s one very important point. john boehner says, well, this isn t going to help jobs. that is not only a lack of sympathy, not surprised to see ....