reality. then, from potential, national security concerns to possible chomsky s a trump grill. chuck rosenberg on what is missing from classified folders found at mar-a-lago. and he was among the very few people in the room where it happened. what i saw general flynn, i saw sydney powell. the overstock person, i ve never met him. but we know about what pat cipollone told the grand jury investigating january six today. when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i m chris hayes, as you may have seen, president biden delivered a speech in philadelphia last. might be covered it live. speech outlining the threats to our democracy and what he called the battle for the soul of our nation. no it was, of course, a political speech as all addresses by a sitting president inherently are. but in the aftermath, one of the two major parties, dominated by the maga authoritarian faction the president was talking about, has been whining and moaning about how politically
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compelling argument. in a fraud case, or an obstruction case it all turns on the defendants state of mind. did the defendant have the intent to commit fraud? can you pierces mind to know what his attempt was? we all know trump fired mother or but did he do it for a corpus or not? there have been a lot of debates on this program and elsewhere trying to figure out proof of trump s state of mind and in for, but we don t have a magic telescope. drug case is very simple, if you have an ounce of heroin in your basement, you are guilty? it s very simple. maybe you can argue it s powdered sugar maybe your wife put it in there, you had no idea. but it s pretty tough. this is more like that kind of case. there are some differences to be sure. but particularly given the run up here where there is a grand jury subpoena, he was notified many times that the governor wanted this stuff back, and was
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general for basically doing what he had to do. he was required to do under the rules of the justice department. renado i have to ask you, when you re dealing with obstruction, i m not an attorney but that s what i hear from the attorneys and legal folks here, you have to establish intent correct? what is the intent? and i m wondering if the president s tweets, what he said is that going to come into play when they re trying to figure out what his intent was behindfully of these meetings and questions or his actions? no question. so what mueller has to prove is that president had corrupt intent, in other words the intent to unlawfully interfere with or impede the investigation. the way you prove as a prosecutor, somebody s intent, you don t have a magic telescope that sees inside their brain. you look at their words and actions over a long period of time and you ask a jury to form conclusions about the person s intent from those words and actions. so, for example, why was the presid